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04-22-2011, 19:46
Here looks to be an ideal 'Sheep Gun' that was a special order, and one certainly handled by Roy.


"The Cover
The engraved and carved rifle shown on the cover is a Weatherby Mark V, in caliber 7mm Weatherby Magnum. The rifle telescope is a Weatherby Imperial 4x81. The rifle is a 'sheep gun' owned by Herb Klein of Dallas Tex., a big-game hunter who has a double collection of all 4 species (Big horn, Desert, White[Dall], and Stone) of North American big horn sheep. He currently has 7 sheep listed in the Boone & Crockett Club's "Records of North American Big Game". He also has taken many species of foreign sheep.

The engraving is by Luther Daniels of Dallas; wood carving is by Weatherby's Inc., South Gate, Calif.

The 4"X5" Transparency is by Harry C. Knode, of Dallas Tex., using a Linhof 4x5 camera, with Ektachrome Type B film, exposed 1/2 second at F/32, using 3200deg. K lights."

Wonder where it is now?
Best, Steven

04-22-2011, 19:51
YEOW!! That is one beauty of a rifle. Where do you keep finding this stuff, Steven??? You own a library or something?:rolleyes::D:D

04-22-2011, 21:52
Really really pretty rifle. That should be in a museum somewhere

04-23-2011, 15:17
Certainly a beautiful rifle, and, as all rifles and guns go, they're meant to be used and not stared at. I'm a little confused on the scope, though; A Weatherby Imperial 4x81? I've always thought of the ULW in a .270 Wby as the perfect sheep rifle, but I think I'd use this one on occassion, too! It's only fitting that the photograph was taken with the legendary 4x5 Linhof.

04-23-2011, 16:29
I'm a little confused on the scope, though; A Weatherby Imperial 4x81?

I remember reading that issue! Spectacular rifle to be sure and my thoughts are that the fixed 4x would be much more durable for a globe troting hunter like Herb in the '60's.

04-23-2011, 16:42
But what is the "81"???? 4 power magnification x 81 what? Certainly not the length or the objective.

04-23-2011, 16:49
The more I look through all the older gun magazines from the 50's & 60's I see that the fixed 4 and 6 power scopes to be the norm, and the 12 power used for "Long Range". Times and technology has changed in the 50 to 60 year span, what we find as items common today were non-existant; nor dreamed about by the common man. To go from the vacuum tube to today's cutting edge nano technology is breathtaking when you really think about it.

Back in the mid-60's I see alot of advertisements from Redfield, Bausch & Lomb, Bushnell, and Weaver. I am planning on installing a mint, vintage Weaver V9 on my Browning FN Supreme, a variable 3-9X40 with parallax adjust and the Weaver Dual-X reticle; I'm thinking that the El Paso made optics were of good quality, and were pretty good for the caliber back then. :cool:

Then again, if I want to move up to a Weatherby from the '80s, I could just grab the 270Win Vanguard with the Leupold VXII 3-9X40......you guy's remember this one..... :p




04-23-2011, 16:57
But what is the "81"???? 4 power magnification x 81 what? Certainly not the length or the objective.

I'm old and feeble and my memory has long since been missing, but...and this is a huge but....I think the 81 refered to the light transmission of the scope. Like 81 Lumens or some unit of measure. I know it's weird but that's how I remember it.

04-23-2011, 17:19
I wasn't even thinking along the lines of light transmission, but it's the only thing that makes sense! Thanks for the insight, Wbypoor. Funny, back then scopes were probably transmitting less light than 81 lumens, so that must've been a big selling point back then to be able to claim 81.

ssteven, I notice the same thing regarding scopes. A 6x was considered a Western scope. We take a lot for granted these days, when we can, in fact, do with far les and be very successful hunters. Camoflage "technology" in clothing is another of the biggest scams today.

BigHorn WBY
04-23-2011, 18:11
A few of Herb's rifles are at WBY headquarters and a few are at the Dallas Petroleum Club.....as well as a few at the LoneStar Brewery museum......this one could be anywhere. I think I had read about this one being, "of best avaiable Turkish walnut hollowed out for ease of high altitude transport" or some such dialogue.

The "81" is the applicable light transmitting surface of the objective lense. Similar equation as to the "exit pupil" appilication.
.....i.e.....the square root of 81 is 9......so, take the multiple of diaopter(power of scope), in this case 4, multiplied that by 9 (your square root) = the diametre in mm. of front glass (ie,36 mm.)..........

04-23-2011, 23:46
Dam Ed, that's pretty good. da Vinci code got nothing on you.

04-24-2011, 15:27
I did find the following pictures of some of Herb Klein's "Best Quality" Weatherby's


And Here of all place's:


Beautiful is too minor an adjective in describing such Fine firearms....:)

Best, Steven